Rescued Family in Rabble Feed by Unknown Being

Author	Topic: Breast feeding
Lalance rabble-rouser Babbler # 640 posted 13 July 2001 09:49 PM Okay, who thinks this whole "breast feed anytime anyplace" thing has gone a bit far. After all, who is stopping this, the breast police? I do see the importance of a mother bonding with her child bla bla bla. However, I do think kids should be cut off after the age of two at the outside. I know a woman, and I am not kidding, who breast fed her son until he was seven years old. They won't be bonded, this poor kid will just be really screwed up! These breast feeding fanatics, are the same people who believe deeply in "the family bed", and who have those dumb ass "baby on board" stickers. So, because they hve a baby, all of us must keep a strict hundred metre radius around the car? Does being a baby make you a higher form of life? I call parents such as the ones I just described as people who have turned parent into a verb instead of a noun. [ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: Lalance ] From: Victoria | Registered: May 2001 |  IP: Logged
timbit rabble-rouser Babbler # 1016 posted 13 July 2001 10:32 PM LaLance, I'm with you on this -- breast feeding is natural (and, medically speaking, a Good Thing). However, I get fed up with the Holier-than-thou people in the LaLeche League. They keep going on about Any Place, Any Time .... as if hoardes of puritans are plucking nipples out of the mouths of babes. Speaking of "parent as a verb", I heard a story about a man whose parents kept him in diapers until he was ready for kindergarten. The reason? They thought toilet training was a "tramautic life event". Go figure. From: timbuktu | Registered: Jul 2001 |  IP: Logged
Debra rabble-rouser Babbler # 117 posted 13 July 2001 10:52 PM If your reaction is because seeing a mother and child sharing a loving,bonding and natural relationship brings up fears or issues that you need to deal with, then perhaps you should go and deal with those things. If, however, your reaction is based upon ignorance then perhaps you should educate yourself. Here is a link to The La Leche League The link works now. There are many thousands of other links which would also provide you with plenty of information. The World Health Organization by the way suggests 1 year as a good start and 2 years as a minimum. Warning: Diatribe Against Western Values Ahead! Breast milk, and the nursing experience, isn't just for babies! The age of weaning, world-wide, is over 4 years old. The World Health Organization recommends that children be breastfed AT LEAST 2 years. Breast milk continues to supply some protective value as long as it is available. And the comfort that a child receive in being allowed to wean on her timetable is considerable. Historically, breastfeeding continued well past the age of two in most cultures. But our Western cultural value of independence is not well-served by extended breastfeeding. We Westerners need our little ones to grow up as quickly as possible, so they do not disturb our busy lives any longer than necessary. We want to have our babies and families, not as the center of our lives, but as something we cram around the periphery of our "real lives". As weekend entertainment, one might say. Supporting this cultural value means ignoring the nature of children. Children need to grow at their own pace. To be able to do this, they need our time and attention. How else can a mother learn how and where her child is growing? If we do not give them our attention, our children will demand it in unpleasant ways. Extended breastfeeding allows mothers to give their time and complete attention to a child. By practicing extended breastfeeding, child-led weaning, and other attachment parenting practices, we tell our child that we respect her and her needs, that she matters more to us than our own preconceived notions of a timetable for her. Our child learns that we trust her, and that she can trust herself. I almost forgot Scientific American - not exactly a warm and fuzzy - recommends nursing for six years based on current evidence. [ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: earthmother ] [ July 14, 2001: Message edited by: earthmother ] From: The only difference between graffiti & philosophy is the word fuck... | Registered: Apr 2001 |  IP: Logged
Trisha rabble-rouser Babbler # 387 posted 13 July 2001 11:18 PM The link didn't work. We need our linksman. Breastfeeding has been proven to be healthier physically than formulas, and is a natural act for all mammals, which humans are. Earthmother's speaking of us needing our children to grow up fast is quite true. Children are expected to be in play groups then pre-kindergarten before age five (I'm not sure what age they're expected to be enrolled in playgroups). That makes extended feeding impossible. I know of some women who have extended it by making it a nightly ritual. We still have some problems allowing mothers to feed their babies in public. Special areas of bathrooms have been set up for this purpose but I wouldn't want to eat in a bathroom and I don't think a baby should have to either. As for age, I admit I'm not as comfortable about seeing toddlers over three being fed publicly, especially when the child has just consumed a plate of fries. From: Thunder Bay, Ontario | Registered: Apr 2001 |  IP: Logged
timbit rabble-rouser Babbler # 1016 posted 14 July 2001 04:17 AM Earth Mother, Read your Western Values Alert re. breast feeding. Also reread Lalance's initial message. I tend to agree with Lalance. Why? Because the La Leche League fanatics are flogging a dead horse. I don't know where you live, but in Victoria it is commonplace to see women nursing their children (yes, in public -- saw one at the bus-stop just this afternoon). Women commonly nurse at restaurants, government offices etc. I think the battle has been won, and I'm glad. Breast feeding IS good. But I'm not so sure breast feeding is necessary for six-year-olds, despite the findings of Scientific America (question: were they talking about all the world's six-year-olds, or those in deprived areas of the world?) From what I've read, the greatest amount of benefit, received by a nursing child, occurs during the first year of feeding. Now, don't get me going on the Family Bed (sounds like an undiscovered Sophoclean tragedy). Do you know some people invest in styrofoam dividers to be used in their Family Beds (lest they turn over in their sleep, and suffocate their progeny.) But, to each his/her own. But I do wonder about a mother who breast feeds her son/daughter before he/she goes off to school (grade one). Whose needs are being satisfied in this type of arrangement? From: timbuktu | Registered: Jul 2001 |  IP: Logged
Debra rabble-rouser Babbler # 117 posted 14 July 2001 09:15 AM Timbit no scientific american was talking about all humans. Parent as a verb - hey aren't you a teacher- and you're agreeing that parent is only a noun? What about the phrase ' to parent '. Guess what I do family bed. All my kids have slept in the bed till they were ready and comfortable in their own rooms. As for your diaper story some children have difficulty training. It is not unusual for a child to be four before they are completely trained. Considering some children are only three when they start JK it is not surprising that some of them will just have been trained. Again I really think it is a lack of knowledge on your part that is causing you to think this way. That and the really good advertising of the formula companies. BTW how do you feel about seeing a baby with a dummy in its' mouth? How do you feel about a 2 year old with a bottle? How do you feel about allowing a child to cry itself into hysterics rather than offer comfort? And yes there has been a great improvement in 'acceptance' of nursing however there are still many who find it easier to assume breasts are strictly for sexual purposes and that truely ' civilized ' people use bottles. From: The only difference between graffiti & philosophy is the word fuck... | Registered: Apr 2001 |  IP: Logged
Debra rabble-rouser Babbler # 117 posted 14 July 2001 02:08 PM Well since we are' going for this whole biology thing' yes the scientific american article factored in that in the animal kingdom babies are 'breastfeed' to a certain point in brain development and ability for self care this factors out to 6-7 years of age in the human animal. If I can find the article on-line I will post it. Funny Lalance that you have no problem with strippers yet you feel the right to interfer in the natural order of parenting. From: The only difference between graffiti & philosophy is the word fuck... | Registered: Apr 2001 |  IP: Logged
Debra rabble-rouser Babbler # 117 posted 14 July 2001 02:59 PM It becomes interfering because it only takes a few people to express distaste to a new mother to make her feel like she is doing something wrong. I have spoken to many women who said that neither they nor their child was ready to end the nursing relationship but they couldn't stand the looks from strangers or comments from mothers in law about how they were abusing their children. I really don't find your views much different than those expressed on the ban breastfeeding.com web site. I couldn't find the article I was looking for but here is one by Dr. Jack Newman written for Scientific American. Benefits of nursing From: The only difference between graffiti & philosophy is the word fuck... | Registered: Apr 2001 |  IP: Logged

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